Plans for my Spirit 27T Build. - Page 2

Mikes27T · 12-28-2011, 04:55 PM

Ok found out that the "S" in the one pair of radius rods is to help with flexing of the rear and the "S" sits so far back on the radius rod you wouldn't even see them anyways.

mustang · 12-28-2011, 07:42 PM

The one with the "S" goes to the rear, the "S" would interfear with the tie rod if you put it on the front.

Be carefull with that open flame heater when doing body work, dust can be very combustable.

Mikes27T · 12-28-2011, 11:25 PM

Well putting the front end together isn't going so well. Looks like the Drivers side bracket that's welded on to the axle is angled in more than the pass side. Things look off and don't want to line up. The shackle bolts on the pass side come in contact with the axle but the drivers side shackle bolts clear with plenty of room. The drivers side rear radius rod doesn't want to mount to the outside of the frame bracket. Am I doing something wrong or are things out of whack? I've never put together a suspension like this.

Pass side shackle

Drivers side shackle

pass side axle bracket

Drivers side axle bracket hard to tell from the picture but it is angled in more than the pass side.

sstock · 12-29-2011, 02:46 AM

Mike it looks like you have the wrong front shackle too. I think your shock will have a clearance problem with that one, it did for me. CCR has the correct one too. Study this pic and you will see the difference

The one in the middle is the shackle you need, you have the shackle on the left.

Mikes27T · 12-29-2011, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstock

Mike it looks like you have the wrong front shackle too. I think your shock will have a clearance problem with that one, it did for me. CCR has the correct one too. Study this pic and you will see the difference

The one in the middle is the shackle you need, you have the shackle on the left.

Thanks Steve! Yep there is no way to mount the shock with that bracket. The spring is in the way. I think the axle brackets are off also. Going to try calling spirit to let them know.

Mikes27T · 12-29-2011, 10:51 AM

Just got off the phone with Josh and B.C and they are going to take care of everything. They are going to replace the front axle and the shackle's. Spirit is the best! Thanks guys!

sstock · 12-29-2011, 11:23 AM

Great. You gotta love Spirit Industries.

Also, you will need to trim the bolts a little so they don't contact and scratch the front axle before you get it painted-the shackle needs to move without touching the axle.
Happy New Year,
Steve

Mikes27T · 12-31-2011, 04:08 PM

Rear end is mocked up! Everything still needs to be adjusted and centered but it's all together.

the bat · 01-09-2012, 12:27 PM

I would of assambled it with all the bolts facing going to rear,not front,by putting spring hanger and shackle together before ya add to axle= looks better with nuts in rear and has more clear movement,that dosen't fix tabs on axle but dose look nicer and will move better for next time ya put it together. That is as long as it clears tie rod too ?.
Just ideas for ya.

sstock · 01-09-2012, 07:36 PM

It would be nice to do it that way Bat, but the tie rod will for sure hit the bolt ends when you turn the steering wheel more than one turn, just not a lot of clearance that way with these suspension components.

Maybe, if one places the tie rod in front of the axle then but I don't know what it would do to the Ackerman, plus it looks like it would then need a longer tie rod too.

Mikes27T · 01-11-2012, 09:42 PM

Got the new axle spirit replaced for me and the new one is perfect. Fixed the clearence issues I was having. Now I'm having trouble with the front shock setup. Upper mount that was included with the kit was clearly not meant for this chassis and they are huge compared to the shocks. Even with the shocks extened out all the way there's no way it will work. The bolt that's welded to the to of the mount is way to big and long to go through the bushing on the shock. Got the correct CCR lower shock shackle mounts and the shocks interfere with the spring and spring pivot.

I know that this is just part of building a car like this and your going to run into problems and I know it will get worked out. Here are some pictures. First couple are of the upper shock mounts and the rest are just how far I've come with the build.

sstock · 01-12-2012, 10:19 AM

Mike I sent you a PM. on the spring/shackle clearance problem you re having. I'm running a reverse eye spring which makes the difference and gives the needed clearance. Also, the shock brackets you have are not like mine, those things are huge

Here is a pic of mine, I bolted them to the frame with 4ea 5/16" fine thread grade 8 bolts--2 on top and to on the side of the bracket.
Hope this helps

Did you tell Josh that these are the Lee from KC design brackets??

Reverse spring eye:

Mikes27T · 01-12-2012, 10:31 AM

Just looking at your pictures I can tell that a reverse eye spring will definitly fix my clearence issues. I don't know if Josh or BC reads these posts but I shure wish they would. I'm new to this so I didn't know to tell them about the Lee from KC design brackets .

Lee in KC · 01-12-2012, 11:15 AM

Mike, those brackets look like they have the tube welded on the wrong end!! Those are just flat weird lookin'!

Mikes27T · 01-12-2012, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee in KC

Mike, those brackets look like they have the tube welded on the wrong end!! Those are just flat weird lookin'!

It's not even just that it's the bolt that's welded in there is way to long and thick for the eyelet of the shock. The front spring is also wrong and won't clear the shock on the lower end either. I need the reverse eye leaf spring.

B.C. · 01-12-2012, 12:06 PM

I have a team reviewing the post here and reading the dialogues. I have the pattern in my hand as I am typing this. It appears the bolt was welded on the wrong end and the shock that we setup was 5 inches taller. Cutting down the pattern now and making new parts this afternoon. We will get them out tomorrow. Not sure on the reverse eye spring and will get with Josh this afternoon and we will get the parts needed to make it work. I am sorry for the problem.

Mikes27T · 01-23-2012, 10:16 PM

Mocking up the front spindles and brake's and I have a question. I'm putting on the brake rotors and my question is do I have to grease the wheel bearings? I'm just mocking things up right now and I also want to be able to move the car around in the garage. I just figured since it has to all come back apart for paint that it would be silly to grease them. But it could be a while before it's taken back apart for paint.

sstock · 01-24-2012, 01:39 AM

I went ahead and greased mine Mike, even though it is coming apart, it is a pretty easy cleanup when the time comes. I just didn't like the idea of a dry bearing on the race, probably wouldn't of hurt anything but that is just me.

T=Test · 01-24-2012, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikes27T

Mocking up the front spindles and brake's and I have a question. I'm putting on the brake rotors and my question is do I have to grease the wheel bearings? I'm just mocking things up right now and I also want to be able to move the car around in the garage. I just figured since it has to all come back apart for paint that it would be silly to grease them. But it could be a while before it's taken back apart for paint.

Just use motor oil or WD40 so they won't score the rollers or races. Cleanup with brake cleaner or carb cleaner, then pack properly.

Mikes27T · 01-25-2012, 03:15 PM

Thanks for your help guys! I ended up using grease on the bearings as I'm not sure how long the car will be at this stage. Not much else new. Still waiting on the spring and shock mounts but I'm sure they will get here.

Mikes27T · 02-20-2012, 09:52 PM

Did the rear disk conversion on the 27 this past weekend. Just mocking things up. Still have to do the rear seals, bearings, gears, differential, and paint. Here are some pictures.

Hulkamania · 02-20-2012, 10:06 PM

Mike....thanks for the pictures. Frame is looking good. Disc brakes look good.

Mikes27T · 02-21-2012, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulkamania

Mike....thanks for the pictures. Frame is looking good. Disc brakes look good.

Thanks!

Mikes27T · 02-23-2012, 05:26 PM

She's on wheels! Well for a couple minutes it was. Body/ wheels are already back off. Had to get a feel what's she was going to look like. Here's a couple pictures. Starting on the brake lines now along with mounting the upper front shock mounts and shocks.

Hulkamania · 02-23-2012, 08:20 PM

mike you need to get your wife to drive the 4 wheeler and pull you around the block and you can make vroom vroom noises. LOL! THanks for the pictures.

Mikes27T · 02-23-2012, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulkamania

mike you need to get your wife to drive the 4 wheeler and pull you around the block and you can make vroom vroom noises. LOL! THanks for the pictures.

I tried but she said NOOO!!!! LOL

Mikes27T · 02-23-2012, 10:48 PM

Some more work got done tonight. Got the top bolts for the shock mounts drilled and tapped. Just need to do the bolts on the side of each brackets and they are done.

Mikes27T · 02-24-2012, 02:06 PM

Finished mocking up the upper shock mounts and shocks. All holes are drilled and tapped. Just have to clean up the brackets a little by rounding the edges and corners.

Mikes27T · 03-03-2012, 04:55 PM

Picked the engine up from the machine shop today!! Waiting on the heads and a few other goodies then I'll get it finished up.

sstock · 03-03-2012, 05:46 PM

Fantastic looking Mike, keep the build going.

12-29-2011, 02:46 AM	#34
sstock 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 60 Posts: 218 View Photo Gallery	Mike it looks like you have the wrong front shackle too. I think your shock will have a clearance problem with that one, it did for me. CCR has the correct one too. Study this pic and you will see the difference The one in the middle is the shackle you need, you have the shackle on the left. __________________ Gallery1 Gallery2 Gallery3 Gallery4 Tbucketnut Last edited by sstock; 12-29-2011 at 02:54 AM..

12-29-2011, 11:23 AM	#37
sstock 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 60 Posts: 218 View Photo Gallery	Great. You gotta love Spirit Industries. Also, you will need to trim the bolts a little so they don't contact and scratch the front axle before you get it painted-the shackle needs to move without touching the axle. Happy New Year, Steve __________________ Gallery1 Gallery2 Gallery3 Gallery4 Tbucketnut

01-09-2012, 12:27 PM	#39
the bat 1st Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: miami fl usa Posts: 19 View Photo Gallery	I would of assambled it with all the bolts facing going to rear,not front,by putting spring hanger and shackle together before ya add to axle= looks better with nuts in rear and has more clear movement,that dosen't fix tabs on axle but dose look nicer and will move better for next time ya put it together. That is as long as it clears tie rod too ?. Just ideas for ya. __________________ "The Bat" out of hell Dana Miami fl.

01-09-2012, 07:36 PM	#40
sstock 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 60 Posts: 218 View Photo Gallery	It would be nice to do it that way Bat, but the tie rod will for sure hit the bolt ends when you turn the steering wheel more than one turn, just not a lot of clearance that way with these suspension components. Maybe, if one places the tie rod in front of the axle then but I don't know what it would do to the Ackerman, plus it looks like it would then need a longer tie rod too. __________________ Gallery1 Gallery2 Gallery3 Gallery4 Tbucketnut

01-12-2012, 10:19 AM	#42
sstock 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 60 Posts: 218 View Photo Gallery	Mike I sent you a PM. on the spring/shackle clearance problem you re having. I'm running a reverse eye spring which makes the difference and gives the needed clearance. Also, the shock brackets you have are not like mine, those things are huge Here is a pic of mine, I bolted them to the frame with 4ea 5/16" fine thread grade 8 bolts--2 on top and to on the side of the bracket. Hope this helps Did you tell Josh that these are the Lee from KC design brackets?? Reverse spring eye: __________________ Gallery1 Gallery2 Gallery3 Gallery4 Tbucketnut

12-28-2011, 04:55 PM	#31
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Ok found out that the "S" in the one pair of radius rods is to help with flexing of the rear and the "S" sits so far back on the radius rod you wouldn't even see them anyways.

12-28-2011, 07:42 PM	#32
mustang 1st Gear Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 26 View Photo Gallery	The one with the "S" goes to the rear, the "S" would interfear with the tie rod if you put it on the front. Be carefull with that open flame heater when doing body work, dust can be very combustable.

12-28-2011, 11:25 PM	#33
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Well putting the front end together isn't going so well. Looks like the Drivers side bracket that's welded on to the axle is angled in more than the pass side. Things look off and don't want to line up. The shackle bolts on the pass side come in contact with the axle but the drivers side shackle bolts clear with plenty of room. The drivers side rear radius rod doesn't want to mount to the outside of the frame bracket. Am I doing something wrong or are things out of whack? I've never put together a suspension like this. Pass side shackle Drivers side shackle pass side axle bracket Drivers side axle bracket hard to tell from the picture but it is angled in more than the pass side.

12-29-2011, 10:51 AM	#36
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Just got off the phone with Josh and B.C and they are going to take care of everything. They are going to replace the front axle and the shackle's. Spirit is the best! Thanks guys!

12-31-2011, 04:08 PM	#38
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Rear end is mocked up! Everything still needs to be adjusted and centered but it's all together.

01-11-2012, 09:42 PM	#41
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Got the new axle spirit replaced for me and the new one is perfect. Fixed the clearence issues I was having. Now I'm having trouble with the front shock setup. Upper mount that was included with the kit was clearly not meant for this chassis and they are huge compared to the shocks. Even with the shocks extened out all the way there's no way it will work. The bolt that's welded to the to of the mount is way to big and long to go through the bushing on the shock. Got the correct CCR lower shock shackle mounts and the shocks interfere with the spring and spring pivot. I know that this is just part of building a car like this and your going to run into problems and I know it will get worked out. Here are some pictures. First couple are of the upper shock mounts and the rest are just how far I've come with the build.

01-12-2012, 10:31 AM	#43
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Just looking at your pictures I can tell that a reverse eye spring will definitly fix my clearence issues. I don't know if Josh or BC reads these posts but I shure wish they would. I'm new to this so I didn't know to tell them about the Lee from KC design brackets .

01-12-2012, 11:15 AM	#44
Lee in KC 2nd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 70 Posts: 94 View Photo Gallery	Mike, those brackets look like they have the tube welded on the wrong end!! Those are just flat weird lookin'!

01-12-2012, 12:06 PM	#46
B.C. Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mountain Home AR. Posts: 714 View Photo Gallery	I have a team reviewing the post here and reading the dialogues. I have the pattern in my hand as I am typing this. It appears the bolt was welded on the wrong end and the shock that we setup was 5 inches taller. Cutting down the pattern now and making new parts this afternoon. We will get them out tomorrow. Not sure on the reverse eye spring and will get with Josh this afternoon and we will get the parts needed to make it work. I am sorry for the problem.

01-23-2012, 10:16 PM	#47
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Mocking up the front spindles and brake's and I have a question. I'm putting on the brake rotors and my question is do I have to grease the wheel bearings? I'm just mocking things up right now and I also want to be able to move the car around in the garage. I just figured since it has to all come back apart for paint that it would be silly to grease them. But it could be a while before it's taken back apart for paint.

01-24-2012, 01:39 AM	#48
sstock 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 60 Posts: 218 View Photo Gallery	I went ahead and greased mine Mike, even though it is coming apart, it is a pretty easy cleanup when the time comes. I just didn't like the idea of a dry bearing on the race, probably wouldn't of hurt anything but that is just me. __________________ Gallery1 Gallery2 Gallery3 Gallery4 Tbucketnut

01-25-2012, 03:15 PM	#50
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Thanks for your help guys! I ended up using grease on the bearings as I'm not sure how long the car will be at this stage. Not much else new. Still waiting on the spring and shock mounts but I'm sure they will get here.

02-20-2012, 09:52 PM	#51
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Did the rear disk conversion on the 27 this past weekend. Just mocking things up. Still have to do the rear seals, bearings, gears, differential, and paint. Here are some pictures.

02-20-2012, 10:06 PM	#52
Hulkamania Administrator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: mountain home arkansas Age: 39 Posts: 186 View Photo Gallery	Mike....thanks for the pictures. Frame is looking good. Disc brakes look good.

02-23-2012, 05:26 PM	#54
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	She's on wheels! Well for a couple minutes it was. Body/ wheels are already back off. Had to get a feel what's she was going to look like. Here's a couple pictures. Starting on the brake lines now along with mounting the upper front shock mounts and shocks.

02-23-2012, 08:20 PM	#55
Hulkamania Administrator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: mountain home arkansas Age: 39 Posts: 186 View Photo Gallery	mike you need to get your wife to drive the 4 wheeler and pull you around the block and you can make vroom vroom noises. LOL! THanks for the pictures.

02-23-2012, 10:48 PM	#57
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Some more work got done tonight. Got the top bolts for the shock mounts drilled and tapped. Just need to do the bolts on the side of each brackets and they are done. Last edited by Mikes27T; 02-23-2012 at 11:02 PM..

02-24-2012, 02:06 PM	#58
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Finished mocking up the upper shock mounts and shocks. All holes are drilled and tapped. Just have to clean up the brackets a little by rounding the edges and corners.

03-03-2012, 04:55 PM	#59
Mikes27T 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 176	Picked the engine up from the machine shop today!! Waiting on the heads and a few other goodies then I'll get it finished up.

03-03-2012, 05:46 PM	#60
sstock 3rd Gear Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 60 Posts: 218 View Photo Gallery	Fantastic looking Mike, keep the build going. __________________ Gallery1 Gallery2 Gallery3 Gallery4 Tbucketnut

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